yurodivuie ([info]yurodivuie) wrote,
@ 2009-05-14 16:06:00
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Dual citizenship: because there's safety in numbers.
Odd: a few days ago I half-whimsically posted a question regarding which country you would choose to flee to; the responses were surprisingly personal, which shows how easily surprised I am.  And they were awesome, but I'm wondering if I can dig deeper to get more specific information, if anyone happens to be in the know.  Down with the PT scene.

I've been reading Neil Strauss's "Emergency", a book about bugging out and bugging in, borrowed off of [info]covenantscave.  It documents in one section his struggle to get dual citizenship so that he can escape America, if necessary.  It's a thought that's been on my mind lately because I love to travel, and Dawn and I often think about how fun it would be to emigrate to a new place someday.  I keep returning to Ireland in my mind, mostly because:

(a) citizenship takes five years (Italy takes 10)
(b) I know the language, but there's still another language to learn
(c) they need tech people, including testers, and they need them badly enough to give green cards for them instead of work visas, which simplify a few things
(d) they are EU members, which means I can see Europe again with no hassle, and
(e) I loved it there more than any other country I visited.... I think.

A long range goal, maybe... I'd rather wait until the current housing downturn has become an upturn, but it's been on my mind as something to gnaw on.  But I've been wondering if there are countries that have easier emigration requirements or better job prospects.  And if they are not openly hostile to English speakers, that's also cool.



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[info]benlehman
2009-05-15 01:48 am UTC (link)
So I'm a child of a child of refugees. We used to play this game around the dinner table as a kid :D. It's fun to play.

I didn't give my reasons.

South Korea because they seriously like Americans there (they owe us a solid for the Korean war: never in my life have I had so many old men in military uniforms shake my hand) and yet they're more independent from US policy than, say, Japan. Also, good food, functional democratic government. And fantastic food.

Taiwan because: Good food, functional democratic government, I speak the language.

Italy because: Family connection, good food, mostly democratic government, language is easy to learn, place I really like to visit.

Finland because: immigrant friendly, likes game designers, many people speak English, I want to learn the language, I have a good friend there who has a family farmstead that I could probably work my keep on for a few months while I get my shit together, saunas, one of the best governments in the world.

Not Germany because: been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

Not Israel because: Being a citizen of one eliminationist state is enough for one lifetime. If, by this time in the future, Israel had resolved the Palestine issue (Gaza is the Hong Kong of the Mediterranean, etc.) then Israel's on the table.

I didn't really consider England, Australia, Canada because I think if the US goes bad, those countries won't be in a good position to say no to the US. New Zealand and Ireland might be good bets, though.

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[info]yurodivuie
2009-05-15 06:08 pm UTC (link)
I hear there is mandatory military service in Isreal as well.

That's actually some good advice on Taiwan and Finland. I should take a look. And I will! But I have heard that New Zealand and Australia have welcoming immigration policies; you just have to live out in the middle of the ocean is all.

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[info]jinasphinx
2009-05-15 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Many people I know seem fond of Ireland. I just don't get it; it doesn't seem like it has much to offer, besides the cool accents. Maybe if I'd been there I'd understand.

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[info]yurodivuie
2009-05-15 06:06 pm UTC (link)
1. Castles
2. Beer
3. Music
4. Hospitality

I visited once and stayed in a hostel in Dublin on the first night. There were a bunch of immigrant workers there, from Ethiopia I think, cooking up a storm in the kitchen. While we were there the landlady mentioned that there would be a Céilidh downstairs, and that we were welcome to come as her guests. It was pretty awesome. There were at least sixty people there, dancing and playing traditional instruments, and also teaching the same instruments to the youngsters. It was the coolest unplanned cultural event I attended in my semester in Europe.

But there's also the climate. It's rainy there too!

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[info]jinasphinx
2009-05-15 06:10 pm UTC (link)
Oooh, ceilidh dancing, *and* Ethiopian food! That is a winning combination.

I like castles but am a little less impressed with them after seeing Amsterdam. They have so many castles that they turned one into a shopping mall. :/

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